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Sunday, August 15, 2004

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11

I posted an earlier version of this last week at Democratic Underground. I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.

Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there’s no need to rehash all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the White House’s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world’s principal heroin producer is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan’s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didn’t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 shows the foresightedness of America’s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick, and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories.

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.

posted by Jeff at 5:15 PM  


Kim said...

Nice job!

11:23 PM  

Anonymous said...

Hello! Old and In the Way Here....I want to tell you that this is a fantastic compilation and I'll do my damndest to get this read far and wide.

This is a very powerful indictment on all of the dots we've been reading on the DU over the past 3 makes the 9/11 Commission's "findings" a real travesty of justice.

11:25 PM  

Anonymous said...

Yo, MinstrelBoy! I'm definitely one of your fans. I, too, will be circulating this information. GREAT STUFF. Thanks for all the hard work putting it together.

2:32 AM  

Anonymous said...

Thanks Minstralboy very well done,the tragic, bitter truth is best swollowed with sugary humour.

3:18 AM  

Cheswick said...

Brilliant and thank you. It all makes my head spin, but I am happys someone has what it takes to put this all together and keep talking about it.

6:30 AM  

Anonymous said...

May the clouds of the Blessed One's spiritual powers,
His unrivalled knowledge and boundless compassion,
Pour down upon your house like a monsoon rain,
Nurturing the roots of your wholesome qualities.

May the Dhamma as doctrine, path, and fruition,
As Nibbana the Deathless, the state beyond sorrow,
Infuse your home with the glory of truth
And make it an oasis for thirsty seekers.

May the wavelike blessings of the Sangha-jewel,
From Sariputta and Moggala to the present-day Order,
Dispel all threats from the forces of darkness
And envelop your home with the aura of purity.

May the three discourses of protective might--
The Metta, Ratana, and Mangala Suttas--
Resound like a chorus of celestial angels,
Bringing you success in all you undertake.

May the Dhamma-protectors in all ten directions,
The gods in the heavens and the nagas of the earth,
Ward off all dangers, misfortunes, and hazards,
And ensure you live happily in your new abode.

May you dwell at home like monks in the forest,
Delighting in meditation, devoted to good works.
May your home shine brightly like a heavenly palace,
A beacon of Dhamma giving solace to all beings.


9:49 AM  

BykerSink said...

Quite the most brilliant piece of blog work I have read. Brilliant stuff.

11:56 AM  

Anonymous said...

"Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes" --Richard Pryor

12:45 PM  

Anonymous said...

Here is another one for you, and its a big one !!!!
20 years of very public lying while the government randomly murders its citizens to support anti terrorist budgets !!!

1:00 PM  

Anonymous said...

Nice Work here -- I'll help to spread it around. ---- Jolly Roger

1:06 PM  

Anonymous said...

Jesus F***ing Christ!! This nation is doomed without a revolution.

1:07 PM  

Fintan Dunne said...

Strike two! This is even better than your "Mohammed Atta
Loved Pork Chops" article. Please get in touch. We already interviewed Sibel Edmonds, Dan Ellsberg and Daniel Hopsicker on these issues. Would love to do an interview with you. Regards Fintan (at)

2:07 PM  

Anonymous said...

This is a great compilation. If only the people who need to read this WOULD read this, then I would be at least somewhat comforted. Unfortunately, this kind of thing will never go anywhere I fear.

I think we DO need some sort of revolution.

p.s. some of the links don't work. I'm already convinced, but if you want to get others to believe, the links should be fixed.


2:34 PM  

Anonymous said...

Tremendous work! Thanks for your efforts.

3:14 PM  

Anonymous said...

your "new Pearl Harbor" link is no good

4:10 PM  

Anonymous said...

Nice compendium of reasons to doubt the official story. I always find your posts to DU thought-provoking. Glad to see you adding your voice to blogsphere.

One note the link you have for the Riggs Bank is 404. I suggest that you replace it with this entry:

Cheers, Al

4:20 PM  

Anonymous said...

I feel much better now that this site has dispelled all those crazy conspiracy theories! I was actually starting to wonder if Bush was complicit in the attacks but now I can vote for Bush with a clear conscience! After all, either you're for Bush/Cheny, or you're a terrorist who hates America!

4:30 PM  

john b said...

This is excellent, disturbing and scary - particularly the bits that link to credible news sources (only about half of them, but that's more than enough).

I've got some more thoughts here, in the event that anyone wants to read them.

5:32 PM  

Anonymous said...

In response to
Sunday, August 15, 2004

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
This was left out:
The Mastermind Behind 911?

Stephen St. John – APFN June 10, 2004
Updated with new link at foot of page
With regard to Blueridge's reference to remote control of 9/11 flights, please check out System Planning Corporation of Alexandria, Virginia.

System Planning Corporation designs, manufactures and distributes highly sophisticated technology that enables an operator to fly by remote control as many as eight different airborne vehicles at the same time from one position either on the ground or airborne. For those looking for an extraordinarily interesting hobby, please see photos and specs of this hardware (about the size of a small refrigerator)at Just be sure your mom doesn't catch you causing havoc with the airlines.

Also, System Planning Corporation markets the technology to take over the controls of an airborne vehicle already in flight. For example, the Flight Termination System technology could hijack hijackers and bring the plane down safely. The Flight Termination System can be used in conjunction with the CTS technology that can control up to 8 airborne vehicles simultaneously. see Unfortunately, these systems as of yet are not able to prevent lyrics such as "When you get caught between the moon and New York City"!

The possibility of nefarious use of these brilliant technologies developed and deployed by Systems Planning Corporation certainly deserves careful consideration in any full and impartial investigation of what actually took place on 9/11.

In the context of 9/11 it also needs to be pointed out that Rabbi Dov Zakheim was Chief Executive Officer of System Planning Corporation's International Division until President George W. Bush appointed him Undersecretary of Defense and Comptroller of the Pentagon. Not long before Rabbi Zakheim rose to power over the Pentagon's labyrinthine, bottomless accounts, he co-authored an article entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" which was published by The Project for a New American Century in September 2000, exactly a year before 9/11; in this article, on page 51, it is stated that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor"!

Voila! 9/11!

...snip. Check out the page.
Thanks, DreamWeaver

Wealthy imagination topples destructive government

5:58 PM  

Anonymous said...

You seem to have omitted the meaningless factoids about how all the WTC buildings that collapsed, WTC1, WTC2 (the 'Twin Towers') and WTC7 (a) looked just like they were demolished by explosives experts and (b) were all controlled by Larry Silverstein, president of the Israeli Export Development Corporation, who inserted the clause into the lease on the Twin Towers, which he acquired only 8 weeks before 9/11, giving himself to right to rebuild on the spot if they ever fell down.

6:36 PM  

Ringwind said...

9/11 and October Surprise scandal. Google and type in "Operation Ringwind"

7:02 PM  

Anonymous said...

Funny list. Too bad a few chunks of it have been disproved in other news sources or so called conspiracy sites.

Wasn't Julia Roberts in this movie?

7:23 PM  

Anonymous said...

This page is a classic presentation of the problems with the official 9-11 story. I hope it's archived permanently at this location because I am sure to come back again and again!

8:12 PM  

Anonymous said...

Thanks for this. With your permission (actually, without your express refusal ;>) I'll link to this from my site.

Chilling reading.

If anyone has any good rebuttals of the sources, I'll link to those as well, and I think it would be a good idea for this site to do the same - there's nothing wrong with the truth. So far I've not seen any of this knocked back.

8:38 PM  

Anonymous said...

Thank you for taking the time to compile all this information. I've forwarded the text as well as the link to everyone I know. I hope they do the same, and I hope everyone that has stopped here so far will do so as well.

Revolutions have to start somewhere!

8:48 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

I don't understood what it all adds up to. What's the moral of the story in one short paragraph? No matter what the facts are you must believe that there was a final goal in mind. This massive conspiracy is for WHAT? Bush to take over the world? Put money in pockets? So he planned or knew about 9/11? I don't get it. See that's why the article is meaningless to me.

Because if the moral of the story is that Bush knew about 9/11 for some type of world domination goal, it's just not true. So all of that info is meaningless to me. There was no conspiracy and say what you want about Bush. Stupid, incompetent, greedy, but he's not a mass murderer so he can "take over the world" or put a few million more dollars in his friends or his family's pockets. You have to believe that thesis for any of the info in that article to matter. The thesis is false.


George Bush did not know about 9/11 and he isn't trying to take over the world. So the article is meaningless to me.

For someone who believes that he did, all of those points just reinforce your belief. I bet the majority of the people who read that article don't take the time out to research the other side or the true meaning and see if it adds up to anything. For example..

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That entry led had a link that led to a Newsday article that talked about how the World Trade Center had a TWO WEEK hightened security alert because they recieved phone threats and then it was lifted on Thursday, five days before the attack. So what? Buildings have bomb threats and hightened security alerts all the time. They sent the bomb sniffing dogs home after two weeks of not sniffing bombs. This is a meaningless yet upon reading it, it'll make you go "wow!" type entry. A perfect example of what I'm talking about....but

...regardless of which entries in that article are meaningless and which ones are actually bery bery interesting, the thesis doesn't work...I leave you with...

Occham's razor: The simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal.

Did a MASSIVE worldwide conspiracy involving the President of the United States murdering 3000 of his own people and the Israeli secret service and the stock exchange and the C.I.A and business in Saudi Arabia and Texas and the Middle east and cousins of politicians and business leaders really occur for some type of financial or world domination type goal?


Did Osama Bin Laden, our sworn enemy and arch terrorist for over a decade, already responsible for mass murder a bunch of times, send his trained Al Queda operatives to pull out box cutters, scaring the crap out of passengers, in a perfectly executed, pretty simple plan, to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Washington landmarks to kill Americans and destroy our symbols and cripple our economy?

After reading the last two paragraphs I must say that that's it for me on this subject. I will not give THIS subject another second of my time. I can't. I'm sorry.

9:20 PM  

Anonymous said...

Hey Minstrel Boy,
Zan here from DU.

You might want to add this:

That Carlyle, a company with ties to George H. W. Bush, owned a majority share in the supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems for the Federal Aviation Authority, shouldn't raise any eyebrows. After all, it's a big company.

(And, hey, I only have the link as April 5, 2003. Don't have the relevant info for September 11, 2001.)

FRONT PAGE STORY - April 5, 2003

US arms group heads for Lisbon

Directors of one of the world’s largest armament companies are planning on meeting in Lisbon in three weeks time. The American based Carlyle Group is heavily involved in supplying arms to the Coalition forces fighting in the Iraqi war. It also holds a majority of shares in the Seven Up company and Federal Data Corporation, supplier of air traffic control surveillance systems to the US Federal Aviation Authority. The 12 billion dollar company has recently signed contracts with United Defence Industries to equip the Turkish and Saudi Arabian armies with aviation defence systems.

9:28 PM  

Tom said...

I was just thinking about some of the odds of the events happeneing on 911 according to the official version.. This might give people a little better idea of the degree of improbability of it all.

Let's just say for comparison purposes: odds of lining up three 7's or any symbols in a slot machine- let's say a moderate 2,000 to 1?

Compare to:

1) Odds of "terrorists" in four different air terminals, WITHIN THE HOUR, successfully getting past security and onto airliners that they intend to hijack- 20,000,000 to 1?

2) Odds of all airliners successfully hijacked and accurately guided to their targets by totally inexperienced pilots- 500,000,000 to 1?

3) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept the airliners- 6,000,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of NORAD defense system getting caught off guard and not responding to intercept airliners, after repeated warnings of imminent terrorist attacks to the administration- infinitesimal?

3) Odds of a high-rise building like the World Trade Centers collapsing from a plane impact and fuel fire- 4,000,000 to 1?

4) Odds of TWO buildings like the WTC's to collapse from plane impact and fuel fire, within a half hour of each other and on the same property- almost infinitesimal?

5) Odds of two buildings collapsing from impact and fire, on the same property, within a half hour of each other, IN A PERFECTLY DOWNWARD CONTROLLED-LIKE DEMOLITION- infinitesimal?

6) Odds of government being caught off guard on 911 AND successfully "solving" the case within an hour after the attacks- 70,000,000 to 1?

7) Odds of all of the above happening within two hours ON THE SAME DAY- infinitesimal.

For those of you who have experienced the frustrating odds in a casino, you might get a better idea of the improbability of the government's version of 911. It just didn't happen that way! Most Americans seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between coincidence and conspiracy. There HAS to be a certain point where the "coincidences" are so numerous and improbable that one has to in all logic consider "conspiracy". Of course, the biggest factor here is not necessarily people's logical abilities, but whether they can actually still think for themselves, not brainwashed by the government!

9:31 PM  

Anonymous said...

I'm SO relieved. My faith is government was beginning to erode. Thanks for showing me my fears were all just a bad dream.

9:34 PM  

Anonymous said...

Hi Jeff - nice work, hopefully will get through to some with their heads still in the sand (or elsewhere) - one thing - there was no standing order to shoot down hijacked planes - the standing order was simply to intercept them immediately, at which time the people in charge would have more info about the situation and decide whether to shoot them down or whatever.... the problem with saying something like this that is incorrect is that the "coincidence theorists" will jump on this as being wrong and try to use it to discredit everything else that is right!

11:15 PM  

Anonymous said...

Whomever pointed out all the 'odds' - you must either have been asleep in stats class or are the world's worsr gambler.

Your argument falls apart when, you talk about the towers falling apart. Anyone who has an engineering degree and has been exposed to structural or civil engineering, (or even people who saw the two hour special on the history channel) knows that the building's supports melted and caused a cascade failure in the structure. Since the fires and explosions were localized, the intense heat and fire weakened the entire columns down to the base.

Any of this info can be found on any collection of news and non news and non US websites.

It is sad that you people need to look for some 'nifty action movie' type conspiracy. Bush may be a lousy president but as someone else pointed out, it isn't like he's planning to take over the world.

So, can you guys get real jobs and stop working tech support, or fast food, or retail, or whatever it is you do. I suppose you think the CIA killed JFK? Oh and that whole holocaust thing was just Israel exaggerating?

11:31 PM  

art said...



12:36 AM  

Tom said...

Odds of most Americans opening their eyes and realizing how they have been duped about 911- infinitesimal?

Odds of a "Patriotic" government apologist admitting obvious facts about 911 that cast guilt on the Bush administration- infinitesinal?

Odds of the Bush administration providing us proof to back up their actions- infinitesimal?

Odds of most Americans continuing to believe the government fairy tales we are continually exposed to- infinitesimally sad!

1:00 AM  

Anonymous said...

When one looks at everything that "occurred" that day - one has to consider that it was indeed organized crime and NOT organized by the CONSPIRACY of a group of men living in caves in some Godforsaken country. When anyone points to the simple impossiblility of this crime happening the way the government has claimed - with the government claiming to be completely in the dark one hour before the crime occurred and then fully aware of of who all the cave dwelling CONSPIRATORS were - THREE HOURS AFTER THE CRIME - is just so goofy and laughable - that only an idiot could possibly by that. But since there is really nothing that can practically be done to bring these men to justice without the involvement of intelligent and INFORMED citizens - in the end you just have to shrug your shoulders and say "Hey - what the hell" and ignore them all. As individuals we just have to conduct our affairs as if they don't exist. They are going to do what they are going to do and there isn't a damn thing the majority can do about it save and except sit back and watch them spasm like squrrels on the Tube. I mean for Christ sake - the world in general could give a shit! People are being slaughtered in Iraq - US and Iraqi forces and civilians both - and the country is jacked up about the frigging Olympics!! That tells you something doesn't it? The crime of the century and they are watching 13 year old girls walking around in tight clothes and flipping and jumping across a wooden bar like their lives depended on it!! It defies belief that the majority could be so apathetic. Without a majority of concerned citizens - any sense of revolution is out of the question. The people of the US are less intelligent and involved than the so-called PEASANT CLASS in Venezuela!! In that nation 94% of the people are registered and 4 times the oligarchs tried to remove Chavez - but the people are involved and INTERESTED in the affairs of their country. Not so in the US. FAT and Lazy and above all happy ignorant slaves. We have the system to remove all of them - but with only 60 percent of our people registered to participate in the process and most of them all voting for one form of collectivism or another - the odds of any meaningful change taking place or BILLIONS TO ONE!! Not one journalist has sought to really publically challenge the status quo. Not one real senator or Congressman. Not one Editor from one of the Majors!! Not one Law enforcement agent from the majors on the City (mass murder in NYC) State (mass murder in NY and VA) Federal (Mass murder in the US) have sought to make their name and history by treating the entire matter as a simple murder instead of a "Terrorist act". not one of the major Generals from any of the 4 major branches of the military have broken ranks and sided with Commons sense!! NOT ONE!!

1:10 AM  

Anonymous said...

Let me just say that this is perhaps the most insightful, and yet humorous column I've ever been privy to read.

Awesome...I'm forwarding to my friends n loved ones...whether they like it OR

1:53 AM  

Anonymous said...

This is probably the best, most concise, wittiest and most convincing treatment of the case for 9/11 skepticism I have had the privilege to read in my going on three years of collecting and writing on this subject. Thank you.

Link up at under the blog. Can we put the whole thing up at the site? Please inform, write me a mail

4:49 AM  

Anonymous said...

...And the fact that Condaleeza Rice phoned her good friend, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown the evening of September 10, and advised him not to fly commercial that week? Lies! Damn Lies!! To be sure!!!

6:55 AM  

Anonymous said...

America is bent to the core...simple as!

7:23 AM  

EB said...

That you are a raving lunatic.

That you forgot your medication.

That your friends from the raving lunatic asylum were all released on the same day and managed to stumble upon random symbols that allowed them to read your lunatic ravings.

That the government is watching you right now and downloading all your lunatic ravings.

That the white suited lunatic catchers are pulling up to your door as I type.

That you follow the great tradition that includes Chariots of the Gods and Gerbils up a certain actor's ass.

That we have a candidate who depends on lunatics to vote for him.

According to my calculations, 1 in a gazillion! But it happened!

8:37 AM  

Pax said...

Great piece. Thanks for your work. Nothing is impossible or improbable with our current regime - and/or others in the past. The question is - what tricks does W have up his sleeve pre-election.

8:54 AM  

Anonymous said...

Thank you for this in depth list of FACTS that have occurred regarding 9/11 and the before and after of it.

I will pass this on to many, many doubters!

9:00 AM  

Anonymous said...

I am under the impression that George Bush was in Florida on the night of September10, dining with Jeb and other Republican worthies.
Other than this, I am very impressed with this Coincidence Guide. Excellent work.

9:01 AM  

Anonymous said...

For more information about these coincidences, check out

9:51 AM  

Anonymous said...

Remember, Clinton had a list of "suspicious" events just as long. It is easy to look back and convince yourself that the Bush/Bin Laden family conspired 9/11 to generate wealth for itself. However, if all the evidence you cite is readily verifiable for the public, why no outrage? If it is as open and shut as you say, then people in high places should be exposed. Why is this not happening? Could it be, that much of what you cite is mere speculation, conspiracy-laced, opinion of what you WISH was true so you can blast the current administration?

9:52 AM  

john b said...

Tom - careful. Your odds are very, very wrong, to the extent that you're providing ammunition to the wingnuts who think questioning the official story is the preserve of the crazy.

US airline security was appalling before 9/11. I know of various people who managed to accidentally carry *guns* in their hand luggage, never mind small blades.

You're radically overestimating the value of air defence. I don't know much about NORAD, but the chances of a typical air defence system getting caught off-guard while not on terrorist alert would never be less likely than 100-1 (ie 99% success rate). I suspect they'd be a great deal lower.

Flying a 767 or a 757 isn't an easy job, but it's not an enormously hard one - and the difficult bits are things like landing and flaps, not airside steering. Purely on the basis of my MS flight simulator experience, I managed to do some reasonably impressive-looking things in British Airways' real 767 simulator a few years ago. The reason pilots train for a long time is because if you mess it up then everyone dies, so a 95% chance of success isn't really acceptable. The terrorists appear not to be too worried about people dying.

The WTC towers were specced to withstand a plane impact, but not to withstand a full planeload of kerosene setting them on fire. While passers-by didn't think the towers would fall, experienced structural engineers did.

The WTC towers were also specced so that if they did ever fall due to external force, it would be in the form of a perfectly downward controlled-like demolition. This is the case for all new skyscrapers - everyone concerned *really* wants to avoid playing Manhattan dominoes.

9:53 AM  

Anonymous said...

Errrr....It would be easier to spread this far and wide
if it would print. I can't even save it and load it into a graphics program and print it.


OK How about inept?

10:07 AM  

Anonymous said...

Regarding fire in The Towers:

There was quite a bit of radio conversation coming from firefighters who at certain points after reaching the burning floors determined that the fires had died down to "controllable" levels. From memory, firefighters stated floors they were on and then commented how fires were dying out. The obvious point, is that structural steel columns would be most likely to buckle when they are at their highest temperature, since the yield strenght of the steel reduces with temperature (and then more or less returns as the steel cools!) - This is another discrepancy pointed out by some structural people examining the sequence of fire-heating-cooling-collapse...

10:39 AM  

Anonymous said...

love this article, it's just that lots of people will never accept the enemy is deep within , not in the good old
usa, it would be equivalent to death or insanity in their small mind.

10:51 AM  

Anonymous said...

Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our it?

11:25 AM  

Anonymous said...

"NORAD was also conducting another war game entitled Operation Northern Vigilance that involved stationing fighter aircraft in northern Canada and Alaska to stave off the threat of the Russian fleet flying over the arctic. Due to this exercise only 14 figher aircraft were left to protect the United States on September the 11th." ( Only goes to show that we won´t be caught off guard by the russians. )

12:38 PM  

George Washington said...

Great Post!!! Because most americans don't know that the Twin Towers were likely brought down with controlled demolition, how about an entry which quotes all the witnesses (including firefighters) who stated that they heard bombs going off and the Towers appear to have been brought down with controlled demolition? And it is also a coincidence that the collapse of the towers looked EXACTLY like controlled demolitions of buildings or sports stadiums?

3:54 PM  

Susie Dow said...

That a client of Riggs Bank sent tens of millions of dollars in suspicious transactions and that that client was the Saudi Embassy headed by Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan just shows how rich the Saudis really are.

That Prince Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa al-Faisal, authorized regular payments over four years to two Saudi families in California, one of whom reportedly helped find lodgings for two of the 15 Saudi hijackers who took part in the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, is no reason to question her charitable nature.

4:51 PM  

Anonymous said...

Great job!

5:06 PM  

Anonymous said...

Great job, but you missed one of the strangest conicidences - that Warren Buffett was hosting a Charity Golf tournament at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, and this base is where Air Force One retreated to on 9/11. More interesting is that Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Co. International, was a guest at the golf tournament. Fiduciary Trust reinvests money for billionaires like Buffett. On 9/11 military officers ushered Tatlock into a lounge, just in time to see Flight 175 crash into the WTC South Tower exactly where Fiduciary Trust's offices were located.

5:14 PM  

Anonymous said...

"That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing."

Of course, that this band of radical Muslim fanatics happened to crash their planes into the WTC towers 15 minutes later at 8:45 am, when the building was not fully tenanted, rather than 9:00 am, thereby not deriving maximum impact from their actions, simply shows bad planning on the part of this (as our leaders tell us) terrifyingly efficient organization, known best for careful planning. But that was probably just a last-minute airport security hitch at the airports.

5:20 PM  

Anonymous said...

Oh, my various gods!

Would someone PLEASE put this one into Mr. Kerry's IN-basket, so that he'll get it in the morning? I think he may wish to peruse.

Thx, ever so.


10:43 PM  

Anonymous said...

These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive.

However, this list of coincidences really does point out the magnitude of conflicts of interest going on in the government, the complete ineptitude of the entire Bush administration, and the sickening greed of all of them, that led to the horrific 9/11 occurrence. Our demented government made it so friggin' easy for the attack to occur; at the very least, they unwittingly (as in, witlessly) led the attackers to the airport gates.

Thanks for this blog. I have certainly shared the link.


11:31 PM  

Anonymous said...

Great work, if only Joe 6Pack could get off the couch and read it!

11:58 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our it?"

LOL...great post you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

12:04 AM  

Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  

Anonymous said...

Another concidence under terrorist attacks, if you count the days between 9/4, 9/9= 5, days between attacks of 9/9 & 9/13 = 4 5+4=9... the days between attacks of 9/13 & 9/16 = 3, and days between 9/16 & 9/22+= 6... 6+3 =9.. and these attacks happened in the ninth month, of 99 yr.

12:31 AM  

Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:58 AM  

Anonymous said...

"These coinciences are AMAZING. But, I still find it hard to believe that there was an actual conspiracy by Bush and all his henchmen. I just can't believe that they would have done that. Call me naive."

Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

Excellent work:)

12:59 AM  

Anonymous said...

You put alot of work into this - I will forward it as far as I can - I need to read it again so much detail.

6:21 AM  

Anonymous said...

Anonymous(real brave) said...
"Billy Thrill...

Ya just don't get ya?

The point of the blog is that there are too many coincidences, anomalies and half truths for the official story of 9/11 to be true. What you need to do is get through you thick skull the fact that NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BUSH ORGANIZED 9/11!!!! How stupid can you be? The whole point is that we are being lied to and need to demand real answers from our it?"

LOL...great post you go...

The process of name-calling is typically based upon feeling not OK, and name-callers are trying to make themselves feel more powerful by using the process. If I call you a name and get you upset, then I temporarily feel more powerful because I had a powerful effect upon you. My self-esteem rises at your expense. I project my unhappiness on to you and you take it on if you allow yourself to be upset.

Thank you. I am curious though, why do you think the government would lie about 9/11 if you do not think they had anything to do with it? If all these events were more than "coincidence", you must believe there was extensive planning on the part of the Bush administration to concieve and carry out this attack for personal/political gain.

7:50 AM  

Anonymous said...

That we are supposed to believe the cell phone calls from inside a all metal fusalage going 400+mph at whatever altitude when alot of calls to talk radio using cell phones within sight of the towers 2miles away are so garbled or static filled the show host hangs up? That none of the black boxes survived or could be made public? That those mysterous flashes seen from multiple angles as the jets were about to breech the WTC were sun glints or puffs of dust in the sun or something other than worthy of investigation.
That the only pictures of landing gear rims and jet compressor fan parts at the pentagon coincedentally match those from unaccounted for Global Hawk
remote drones should be dissmisses as paranoic indications of a lack of
floride and too much melatonin. (Techknomen of attempting to diminish ignorance in the land of [NE]Kentucky)

10:23 AM  

Anonymous said...

Unaccounted for "Global Hawk"? Are you trying to say that an airliner didn't hit the Pentagon? What about all the people who were on that flight? Oh yea, they must be stuffed in an underground railroad car in the Nevada desert.

11:09 AM  

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you should also consider the Oklahoma City bombings as part of the "dress rehearsal". Tim McVeigh behaved in a very, desensitized, "programmed" way during his trial, interviews and just before execution. To me it seemed the whole event smacked of Pentagon/CIA planning to test if they can program Americans to kill and terrorize fellow Americans. The close-quarters urban combat tactics being tried out in Iraq are really just a warm-up for the real war in American cities in case of revolution. That the Bush family was involved with Nazi Germany and aided several high-ranking Nazis in coming to the US just about says it all.

11:33 AM  

Anonymous said...

Please cite for us where your information about the connection between Bush/Nazi's comes from. If the Tim McVie was a CIA robot then explain Terry Nichols. Why, in all the years he has been incarcerated, did he never mention CIA involvement? While yes, Tim McVie acted very odd throughout his trial up to his execution, Terry Nichols has not acted in that way.
Please explain what you think the Bush's would have to gain, by warfare in the streets of America?

12:25 PM  

Bo Peep said...

So I emailed this to a friend of mine and recieved this noteworthy reply titled " what":

"Let's say it's all true. Every word, every accusation, every dotted-line connection ... so what. What are you going to do differently tomorrow morning when you wake? How is your commute, your hours at work, the lunch you take - how is it all going to change? Are you going to stop raising your children and paying your mortgage to start a revolution? No. Well, then what about little differences? Maybe just something minute. Nope. Nothing.

I do believe truth sets a person, any person free. It's liberating, insightful, and empowering. Intrinsic to the revelations themselves are joy, peace, and hope. If truth sets you free why then are these "truths" such a burden. Perhaps at most it's all just absolutely useless fact."

Good questions. What do I do? Every person, who is convinced things are not as they have been explained, at some point must finally ask themself -- What do I do?

Is our situation so threatening that it does require immediate action? Most of us exist as frogs in a slowly warming pot, and sadly, we know it. And if we are convinced that action must begin right now in some capacity, What?

Luckily, the system stills allows us to possess seats of power (Congress), in theory. But how long will this window of opportunity remain open before the system is changed?

In fact about two weeks ago I got so frustrated about it all that I declared I was going to run for Congress, to do my part to try to take back our country from those who have stolen it from us. Bold move, huh?. But even if a non-insider little guy could get into a system of which entry is so tightly controlled (Congress), and could make lasting far-reaching changes (without every motion being buried by the power brokers), there is still a good chance that the one-man-fighter in Congress might get conveniently "lonegunman'd, suicide'd, or accident'd" at some point along the path. Not a risk I am willing to take for the sake of my family.

So what do we do?

I think that we cannot wrest control out of the hands of the current controllers until America knows the truth and is ready to throw them out. So, knowing that the country gets its information from the controlled media, which will never lend us a helping hand in getting the truth out, What do I do?

* * * *
Lastly an aside: Noting the attitudes of some of the replies and some of the replies-to-the-replies makes you almost think that there might be professional "alternative-viewpoints" debunkers under the employ of the "offical-story creators" right here on this blog. The average-guy debunker doesn't seem to take such a personally demeaning approach. And why would the passionate (possibly employed) debunker have the impetus to find this blog in the first place?

3:10 PM  

Anonymous said...

Man, that is truly scary. We haven't had such a criminal presidency since Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered, partly for having an affair with Hillary; partly to cover up Bill's money laundering from drug deals.

7:37 PM  

Anonymous said...

"And the Truth will set you Free!"
Great words...often taken out of context and
twisted around to fit one person or another's
agenda. As many readers have implied, either
directly or not, nothing is to be gained from
this exercise. This Representative Republic
will stand as it has for so many, many years.
There will be no national movement, no government
overthrow here. The bicameral system will remain
intact, and the independs will continue to
have their 4 year migraine, time and time again.

Do you not see? Can you not tell which way
the wind is blowing? Exhale all your breath and
take the next through your nose. Do you smell it?
It reeks so much that you should taste it...
It is death. This world, since time immemorial has
been filled with it. Fear not...death is but a
gateway. What lies beyond for each and every soul
is chosen here, however. You must
choose wisely. The events that occured on Sept.11
were truly tragic. 3,000+ people losing their
lives was horrible. But it is no more horrible
than what takes place everyday at places like
Planned Parenthood. Where is the outrage for the
debacles occuring there? Why weep, and fester in
rage for the ones who died on 9/11 and so bask
yourselves in the triumph of "Civil Liberty" that
Roe v. Wade "gifted" to us? The utter hypocrisy
of the laments in this article is pathetic. The
finger-pointing is merely a distraction from the
horrors not allowed to see the light of day....

Educate yourselves...the Nuclear Age is fading
fast...welcome to a brave new world...the true
terror is coming, and it is coming to Liberal and
Conservative, and Independent alike...follow this
link...if you dare.

11:08 PM  

Bostongemini said...

Great Work! There is a lot of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. Investigative journalist Mike Ruppert has been trying to call attention to this for years. His talks are easily downloaded through file sharing apps.

A quick look at the neocons website: shows they were itching to invade Iraq all through the 1990s. In '98 they wrote a letter to Clinton (published in the Wash. Times, avail on the pnac website) urging him to invade then. And, as noted, they wrote that it'd take a Pearl Harbor like event to get Americans behind that and other war plans.

Imperialism doesn't play too well in a democracy, unless you fool the people into thinking they're in the right.

11:16 PM  

Anonymous said...

Wow! great blog!

but about the firemen...was it bombs or the poor sad souls who had to jump? in the French bros film it seems they were confused as to what the explosions were...did some from the upper floors here them too? this is almost to horrible to ask, but what about the firemen not being warned...were they trapped in cause they found the detonator fuses or something? around 350 firemen dying seems unbelivable.

I'm very much a coinidence theorist but I really want to be careful about facts...sometimes facts can be out of context...with F-911 and the failure in Iraq ppl are much more receptive, so we should be extra sure.

How about listing all the confusing training excersizes that were planed that week, those were perfect smokescreens. how about anthrax being sent to the opposing party.

is there any "coincident theory" sites about the DC sniper case (during the run up to the invation of Iraq no less)that always seemed weird...ex-army guy becomes Muslim changes his name, acting tripped out like Tim McVeigh, and about OK City and T. McVeighs partner, the guy seemed easily lead.

1:03 AM  

Anonymous said...

oops, the anthrax case was covered, sorry

1:04 AM  

Anonymous said...

...And the fact that every major news network blasted "Fahrenheit 9/11" for "not being journalism" is not any indication that they are working for BushCo and not in the interest of truth. Ya see, Mike Moore really lies when he claims it's not meant to be journalism but a film representing one POV, after all it has to be journalism! If it wasn't then media wouldn't blast it for not being journalism... Meanwhile they have the Div†ne insight to continue to let the Bush Administration tell them what's true and what's not without investigating it or even asking BushCo. difficult questions (since he's Chosen By God he's in†allible like the Pope) while they seem to have no problem asking Mike Moore hard questions and even treat him with such obvious hostility. After all BushCo only got us into a war with a nation that posed no immediate threat to us while that anti-American bastard Moore has the evil heart to actually want an end to the war and see our brave men and women home safe. It's because of this evil Nazi-like agenda that the News Media is so critical of him. Anyone who thinks's a shameless attempt to discredit him so people don't investigate his facts for themselves rather then trust the news and GOP web sites are just nut-jobs After all we all know the media is "liberal", Neo-Cons tell us so so why wouldn't they tell us lies favoring the Bush Agenda? Heck the only reason the "liberal media" won't report on civilian causalities is because there obviously are none! The U.S. military now has magic bombs, missiles and bullets, made by the Elves and imported from Middle-Earth. They kill the bad guys while protecting the Elderly, Women, children and puppies from any harm. All those children and other civilians missing arms and legs from U.S. attacks shown on BBC and other international news networks are actually computer-generated puppets created by evil Satan Worshipping (AKA muslims) computer-programmers who hate God's chosen present (So that's who sElected Dubya...) and want us to stop believing in the Elven magic bombs and the Devine will of God. (Since God of course takes an active interest in politics. When Jesus said he didn't he was just joking. Ah the silly kidder...) After all if the footage was real it would be on CNN since they're such liberal whores as is all the media in the U.S. except of course Fox News (AKA the GOP Press Release channel), which as we all know from the Neo-Cons, is wonderfully fair and balanced. It's in the interest of being fair-and-balanced that they have gusts who spout Muslim hate speech. After all Amerca needs to know that Muslims worshil not God but Satan. The fact that the Quran spefically refers to Jesus Christ as the Messiah is just a clever ruse by the Forces of Evil™.
Also it's in the interest of being fair and balanced that Faux News™ has such insightful reports that lead the majority of it's viewers to believe we've actually found WMDs in Iraq - all those rusty empty cans that held serine gas a decade ago where obviously a ®Clear and Present Danger® to our country and our freedom and more then justifies the deaths of over 1,000 American soldiers. Feel blessed that we live in such a free society my friends - Yours faithfully,
- The Starkiller

4:17 AM  

Anonymous said...

That a hijacker's passport survived the explosion and was found in the debris [] merely indicates that black boxes and cockpit voice recorders should be made from the same material as these documents.

It was later revealed by the FBI that they were initially mistaken and the passport had not been found, but I can't find a link to that. Anyone else remember the story?

The collapse of the towers from 'melting' structures and the plane (global hawk?) which hit the pentagon are interesting and documented in detail on many sites. Briefly:

The fact that people made it to the holes which the planes made in the buildings, without getting their hair or clothes burned (there's video evidence for this), suggests that the fires in the buildings were not big enough to impede their paths from, presumably, the far side of the floors hit by the planes or the floors just above. It would be the thick smoke coming from within the building and up the external walls rather then the fire that they were jumping to escape from.

The hole in the side of the Pentagon was narrower and less tall than the Boeing which supposedly hit it, and there was no damage to the lawn infront of the building. There is a suggestion that the explosion has the hallmarks of a bomb rather than a fuel-based explosion (based on colour, light intensity, size and speed of expansion) but bent-over lampposts near the pentagon indicate that a plane did approach it. So maybe a global hawk packed with explosives? But then if you're going to hijack a plane, why not just fly that into the building instead of going to the extra hassle? And maybe the Boeing just got smaller as it came closer to the building. I'm sure there's something in the Theory of Relativity to explain that ;-)


10:03 AM  

Anonymous said...

In response to "The truth shall set you free",

Good job, It is qutie amazing how some people can be so quick to find a government conspiracy in the hijaking of 4 airliners leading to the murder of 3000 innocent people, yet miss the systematic, government sanctioned murder of thousands each day in this country.

Think people. What really does the Big Media have to gain, by NOT reporting the truth? What threat really keeps them from coming forward.

Think. If our own government was behind 9/11, how many people would be involved? How believeable is it really that ALL those people have no concious? No remorse for the loss of life?

Its harder to put stock in the fairy tails about 9/11 than it is to look at what happened really.

19 Hi-Jackers, many from Saudi Arabia. Integrated into our society over a period of time. They gained our trust, made us feel comfortable around them. On a planned date, they met together, they hijacked 4 airliners with the intention of sending a message to the world that they were in control. That America was evil because of its support of a nation with no right to exist (if you do not know what nation that is, I am not going to say here, because if you do not know, then you cannot understand terrorism anyway).
They hi-jacked 4 airliners with innocent people on them. They succeeded in hitting our two most important monuments to our financial success, and the most important monument to our defensive success. They failed to break the resolve of American citizens to defend themselves. When they knew that battle was lost they dove the aircraft into the ground.
At that point our President did, what the previous President failed to do. He responded, and is still responding.

Ask yourself this: How many terrorist acts have occured in the United States since 9/11.


11:21 AM  

Anonymous said...

Exactly! There have been no terrorist attacks since 911 because the government only needed it to happen once. Welcome to the New American Century!

Would the American people have sent their kids to die in Afghanistan and Iraq WITHOUT a need for "revenge"? Would the American people have volunteered to give up their liberties had there NOT been an attack on the US? Would up to 50,000 pipeline-sabotaging, fanatical Arabs be stone-dead right now if 911 had NOT happened?

Of course, the fact that the Western military industrial complex, Western oil interests, and Israeli-American "visionaries" are the only people in the entire world who actually benefitted from 911 is merely evidence that... uh...

Can someone please help me with this coincidence?

12:15 PM  

Anonymous said...


12:39 PM  

Anonymous said...

Replying to "...yet miss the systematic, government sanctioned murder of thousands each day in this country."

Just because they didn't mention it doesn't mean they don't notice it. Just like your omission of the 27000 preventable deaths every day in Africa, that the people of the US could stop if they chose to spend as much on 3rd world charities as they do on pet food, doesn't mean you don't care - it's just off topic.

As for the rest of what you say, surely you must be even a little concerned about some of these coincidences? Terrorism does happen, but governments have a history of letting things go through if it suits them and their backers. It's not necessarliy the case that everyone who could have helped the terrorists succeed did so, but perhaps some of them did, and you want them to go unpunished because the people who want action are blind to the abortion issue so can just be dismissed?

Clinton did take action. He sent "$10,000,000 missiles to blow up $10 tents" (paraphrasing him I think) and Bush scaled down the intelligence gathering that was set up under Clinton and, as stated in the coincidences above, Bush "ended the...deployment of attack submarines" which were presumably ordered by Clinton. Clinton didn't have a Pearl Harbour to allow him to do what Bush has done and doing more than he did while the Lewinsky saga was going on would have been spun as 'a distraction' by a media which wanted to attack him at every opportunity. Even so, his efforts to capture Bin Laden (remember the prime objective after 9/11?) were as successful as Bush's.

btw, there have been terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11: the distibution of waponized anthrax from us military research establishments to senators opposing the US P.A.T.R.I.O.T act.


2:44 PM  

Anonymous said...

From The Guardian "Uncle Sam's Lucky Finds" March 19 2002

On Sunday night the United States prepared for fresh strikes against new pockets of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. At almost exactly the same time, American intelligence revealed that they had uncovered an increase in money being transferred between groups of al-Qaida fighters. According to my reckoning, this is the 14th handy thing that American intelligence has discovered since September 11. Think back over the past six months and it becomes ineluctable: never in the history of modern warfare has so much been found so opportunely.

It started the day after the attacks on the twin towers, with the discovery of a flight manual in Arabic and a copy of the Koran in a car hired by Mohammed Atta and abandoned at Boston airport. In the immediate shocked aftermath of the attacks, these findings were somehow reassuring: American intelligence was on the case, the perpetrators were no longer faceless.

In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged would have tested the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism.

Uncle Sam's Lucky Finds

11:50 PM  

Anonymous said...

DC Sniper John Mohammed as "Manchurian Candidate"?

"On Wednesday, October 23 Chief Charles Moose repeated a strange phrase on television he said the sniper had requested in a note left at the scene of one of the killings: 'You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things. You've asked us to say, 'We have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose.' .

John Muhammad and Lee Malvo were arrested less than ten hours later while sleeping in their car in the main part of a rest stop.

Many believe that strange phrase was used to trigger a post-hypnotic command to Muhammad and Malvo. The command obviously would have been to stop the killing and make yourselves available for capture.

From introduction of the Iraq war resolution on October 2nd (the day of the first sniper shootings) through all the debate, votes in the House and Senate and the signing of the bill into law, the headlines and the nation's attention were riveted on the hunt for the D.C. sniper and on his victims.

Was the timing of the sniper killings and the movement of the Iraq war resolution through Congress just a coincidence?"

8:54 AM  

Anonymous said...

A truly excellent blog, I cant believe I havent stumbled upon this before.

I will be watching this closely from now on. Nice to see we have representatives from Bush Corp contributing too, it makes what we do so worthwhile :)

I have loads I could contribute to your list but they are from further afield and not specific to 9/11. My focus of late has been developments in Georgia amongst others.

But here is one little gem I found last year that convinced (and utterly appalled) me that all is not what it seems surrounding 9/11. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions rather than taint it with my crazy wacko interpretations. It's a rather tedious read but if you arent already aware of it you'll be thinking "gosh, what a coincidence".

If the CIA are reading this then dont come knocking on my door you declassified this, Fools!!

If I could offer one piece of advice, it would be to back this site up and host it on multiple webhosts - preferably outside the US and UK. There are plenty of freebie hosts these days. I was a long time member of the Independant Newspaper political forum before it was abruptly shut down a few months ago - something to do with "insufficient moderators" they said. Shame because by coincidence it was the best source of 'realtime realnews', discussion and debate I have yet found. Not even was as good.

Keep up the good work,


4:58 PM  

Anonymous said...

Your link to the site has been 404'd - but, through the magic of Google cache...

9:06 PM  

Anonymous said...

Popaganda is always thrown out and given out..........but only the smart and knowledged understand the Bullshit and Real shit! So people keep passing out this info to anyone you can and let them decide what is true and what is not! That is why we are voters and we do have a choice, so do your best to pass it on Citizens of the Free World! Soo..... who are you going to vote for and what laws are you going to allow to pass? The choice is yours!

12:13 AM  

Chris S said...

That Osama Bin Laden worked in Afgainstan during the war against the Russians and was funded by the US is not secret. It was announced on the evening news where I live. But, we also have a history of supporting people who bite us back.

At least one of your links is dead ( A number of others are sources of questionable reliability.

For now you're just preaching to the choir.

12:48 PM  

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10:27 PM

Anonymous said...

And the fact that our nation is engaged in a life-or-death struggle to control the last Middle East nation with spare oil extraction capacity (Iraq)(1), after being sold a war based widespread perception of an Iraqi-9/11 connection(2), is just another example of how fate favors those who prepare ahead.

links (1)

[this is for those anonymous posters who can't imagine WHY 9-11 happened. It's bigger than personal gain for Bush and Cheney; it's bigger than rewarding corporate sponsors (Halliburton, Exxon-Mobil, et al); it's more subtle than "world domination." 9-11 planted the fear in the American psyche that would allow our citizenry to support invasions of critical nations like Iraq (2nd largest oil reserves in the world) and Afghanistan (in the path of the most-needed oil/gas pipeline) under the guise of the "war on terror." Sure, we could have bought oil from Saddam, but not without making him more powerful, not to mention the fact that other countries had the development rights to Iraqi oil fields. As it stands now, American companies control the oil fields, and the French, the Russians, etc are locked out.

So, as the world enters the Peak Oil era where worldwide oil demand outstrips worldwide supply, BushCo has the hand on the last tap that can be opened... 9-11 means the continuance of the profligately energy-wasting American way of life... for a few more years at least. Do you GET it yet?

If so, try visiting , or how about ]

4:20 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

Occham's razor: The simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal.

Did a MASSIVE worldwide conspiracy involving the President of the United States murdering 3000 of his own people and the Israeli secret service and the stock exchange and the C.I.A and business in Saudi Arabia and Texas and the Middle east and cousins of politicians and business leaders really occur for some type of financial or world domination type goal?


Did Osama Bin Laden, our sworn enemy and arch terrorist for over a decade, already responsible for mass murder a bunch of times, send his trained Al Queda operatives to pull out box cutters, scaring the crap out of passengers, in a perfectly executed, pretty simple plan, to fly planes into the World Trade Center and Washington landmarks to kill Americans and destroy our symbols and cripple our economy?

4:56 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

Why we need conspiracy theories
Conspiracy theories make the world seem safer
By BBC News Online's Charlotte Parsons

The moon landing was faked, Princess Diana was murdered and JFK was the victim of an elaborate CIA assassination plot.

When major historic events shake our world, conspiracy theories are seldom far behind.

The US terror attacks are no exception. The dust had barely settled on New York before the cloaks and daggers came out.

Less than two weeks after the disaster, BBC News Online found itself inundated with e-mails seeking confirmation of the various theories now circling the globe.

Hundreds of them cite a web page that lambasted the CNN for stirring up anti-Arab sentiment by running "fake footage" of Palestinians cheering over the attacks on the US.

If you think it's a rogue person or an unsophisticated group you start worrying about your daily life

Psychology Professor Cary Cooper
The news network is accused of digging out 10-year-old images of celebrations that followed the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and passing them off as Palestinian displays of anti-Americanism.

The allegations can be traced back to a message posted on Chicago Indymedia's website.

"Think for a moment about the impact of such images," the text urges visitors. "This kind of broadcast has a very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against the Palestinians."

Another popular theory holds that the Israelis working in the World Trade Center left the building shortly before the attacks. In a similar vein, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is said to have cancelled a visit that would have placed him in New York on 11 September.

The implication: The terror attacks were a trick designed to turn world opinion against Israel's Muslim enemies.

The theories are unsourced, unfounded and untrue. But they are spreading fast.

Human nature

This begs the question: Where do conspiracy theories come from? What is it in human nature that drives us to create alternative worlds peopled by shadowy figures?

Are we paranoid, delusional or just plain bored?

According to Psychology Professor Cary Cooper we are trying to stave off fear of random violence and unpredictable death.

There are 36,000 Diana conspiracy web sites

"They do that because they can't come to terms with the fact that it could be just a few people," said Professor Cooper, who lectures at the University of Manchester Institute of Science and Technology.

"If you think it's a rogue person or an unsophisticated group you start worrying about your daily life. If this can happen, what sense of security can you have?"

We create alternate realities because we reject the world where a single madman can bring down a president, a reckless driver can snuff out a princess... and a few men with knives can terrorise a country.

The internet helps the theories grow and spread. An estimated 36,000 Princess Diana conspiracy web sites were created after her death.

Ripple effect

Professor Cooper predicts that, in the weeks ahead, US terror attack theories will expand and become attributed to an ever larger group of culprits.

"We simply can't believe a small number of people could be behind it," he says, adding that a similar ripple effect followed the John F Kennedy shooting.

Conspiracy theories are not unique to Western culture. Experts say they have operated in many societies throughout history.

On a certain psychological level, we appear to need them.

Giving misery and injustice an identity makes life more bearable, according to Jeffrey Bale, who writes for an online magazine that examines the phenomenon.

"Conspiracy theories account for current crises and upheavals and explain why bad things are happening to good people or vice versa," he said.

4:58 PM  

Tom said...

For those of you who discount conspiracy theories because you feel people will tend to come forward and expose it afterwards, you are missing some big points. First of all, people HAVE come forward with their testimony about conspiracies, but the powers-that-be simply censure them from the mainstream media, generally keeping people in the dark. All one has to do is look at the tremendous amount of time and effort that assassination researchers have put into the Kennedy and King assassinations.

There are mountains of verified and documented information that has been uncovered by these people that lays to rest the government versions of these murders. This information has been available to any interested-enough party for many years. Most people are totally unaware of the amount of information out there that disproves the government's case against Oswald, Ray and Sirhan. Certainly, being tied to the corporate powers that steer our goverment behind closed doors, the mainstream media will never give this information to the general populace. In other words, just by the amount of people that can be kept in the dark or made to consider conspiracy theorists as wackos, the conspiracy itself remains a very safe distance from mass public exposure.

Secondly, conspiracies such as 911 are orchestrated much like a military operation. There is a chain of command and those that execute certain roles underneath. Information is dispensed to these foot soldiers on a need-to-know basis. It is just a matter of doling out orders and the pawns of the conspiracy complying. The over-all nature of the operation is kept in the dark when it involves something as murderous as 911. The end result of the conspiracy is supposed to be something very different that what some key players are led to believe. These fooled foot soldiers are easy prey to be set up as patsies. This kept-in-the-dark aspect of any conspiracy lessens the chance of whistleblowers who would expose the conspiracy.

Thirdly, after a conspiracy is executed, many players or witnesses are in fear for their lives, so they remain silent. In the JFK assassination, many witnesses met untimely deaths in the few years after 1963. Conspiracies involving powerful people have the ability to "clean house", using their many black ops assets as hit men. Just do a search using the words "Clinton death list" to get an idea of what cleaning house is all about.

In conclusion, I really feel that people who discount conspiracies because of the possiibility of conspirators or witnesses talking are not taking into account these three points. Conspiracy is defined as a crime commited by two or more people. The covering up that takes place after the crime is in itself a PART of the crime- obstruction of justice. In this sense, the continued coverups of many government wrong-doings is but an ongoing crime. As long as the people are kept in the dark there HAS to be a continuing conspiarcy.

2:22 AM  

Anonymous said...

I believe most of the staements are true, but without any reference or proof, they are useless. You should add links to news and articles from respected and credible institutions, or find a way to corroborate every story.

10:20 AM  

Anonymous said...

Another odd coincidence? Perhaps they really were innocent and just happened to be armed to the teeth for their own protection in these dangerous times...

Israeli Terrorists Mysteriously Released by Mexico

Why were two Israeli terrorists, foiled in an attempt to blow up Mexico’s national legislature, quietly released? This eye-opening story has not been re ported by the American media?


11:57 AM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

You guys are just too funny...

Still, no one has connected the dots on all of this pointless information like the last "Israeli" post.

Connect the dots. Can someone tie allllll of the information together as if they were doing a Costner JFK type summation?

Who and why and what EXACTLY occurred? The motive and the execution. The conspiracy and the players and how it alllll ties together.

You sorry people just seem to want to throw as much shiiite against the wall in the hope that something sticks.

Tie it all together. You seem to have wayyyy too much time on your hands anyway. So write up a summation using ALLLLLLL of the information that this blog has in it. Make sure not to contradict and you CAN say "well I think this wasn't important" if you want. Just make sure you say it.

Go for it. I dare you to come up with an intelligent 9/11 conspiracy summation as if you were going to sway a jury.

Good luck.

5:24 PM  

Sully said...

So many more you could have done (no links, but Google should be helpful):

That there is a four-minute discrepancy between the time Flight 93 is widely believed to have crashed and when the flight recorders ended, a discrepancy only accounted for by a mysterious whistling sound on the tape, is all the fault of equipment failure.

That much of the wreckage of that flight is spread over a five-mile area just goes to show what an incredible death struggle it was in the cockpit. (Actually, for this all see

That there is no video footage of Mohammed Atta after the widely-replayed clip in the Portland airport proves just how good al-Qaa‘idah’s training was.

That Atta, on a visit to Prague in April 2000 so urgent that he didn’t even bother to get a visa and just hung out for an hour in the airport's vast transit lounge before flying back to Munich, managing for most of that time to stay out of a sight of an extensive video surveillance system that covers almost the whole area, proves that maybe he's a vampire or something.

(Edward Jay Epstein has some good stuff at his website on this. He uses it to point to Iraq, but it's still a good question).

That none of the other passengers on the relatively lightly populated commuter flight from Portland to Boston remembered seeing Atta aboard even when shown a picture afterwards just proves how much the traumatic events of that day can cloud people's memories.

That it doesn't seem to make sense for Atta and his traveling companion to drive up to Portland and take a commuter flight down to Boston, thus exposing themselves a second time to airport security while all the other hijackers got right on their flights, shows that the terrorists were taunting us for our weak air security.

That there were two separate visa numbers issued to Atta in INS’s computer system as of 9/11 just proves that the officer issuing the second visa forgot to delete the first one.

That you have heard very little about a report two days after 9/11 about a group of Middle Eastern men who got very huffy and angry and argued in Arabic as a flight at JFK was grounded, were detained by Port Authority PD but released before the FBI could come over and talk to them and their whereabouts remain unknown even to this day just shows it wasn't really all that important.

That Ziad al-Jarrah, a flight student with mere months under his belt, managed to bank turn a 767 at breakup speeds over New York Harbor and still manage to angle the plane as it hit Tower Two so as to increase the damage in a way that accelerated the building's collapse just shows how good our flight-training is.

That the Massachusetts Air Guard pilots scrambled to New York that morning went there at a fraction of their top speed, thus ensuring that they would get there too late, is just proof that the people who live on the Connecticut coast and complain about sonic booms are rich liberal weenies who care more about quiet mornings than America's national security.

That those two pilots' testimony before the 9/11 commission was and remains classified is just an unfortunate result of our national security needs.

(Go to Slate for a great Scott Shuger article on this mere months after 9/11).

That Scott Shuger, a Navy vet and journalist who was one of the few people raising questions about this mysterious decision in the wake of 9/11, died in early 2002 in a diving accident is just one of those tragic things that happen.

That fighter jets available at Andrews Air Force Base that could easily have protected the Pentagon were never scrambled even though they had time to stop the attack once the WTC was hit just goes to show you that Jared Israel’s website is a Russian intelligence asset (Which we’re pretty sure it is from the other stuff on it, but his stuff on this one is solid).

12:45 AM  

Anonymous said...

"Go for it. I dare you to come up with an intelligent 9/11 conspiracy summation as if you were going to sway a jury."

Has Bush managed that yet?

Who said anything about conspiracy? It's obviously just a coincidence.

7:35 AM  

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4:56 PM  

Anonymous said...

No one has mentioned the interesting fact that 7 of the 911 'hijackers' pitched up in Saudi Arabia and claimed their passports were stolen---them and a few thousand other unvigilant travelers. They were not very pleased to have these accusations against them, so they spoke out. It's a small country, not too likely that the reporters were making it all up. I was there, 8-31-01 to 8-31-03, following the local news.

I also read a very tiny article at the bottom of a financial page shortly after the beginning of the attack on Afghanistan that now the dormant oil pipeline through Central Asia Project was going to be revived. hmmm....

No one has mentioned that land mines (cluster bombs) were dropped on Afghanistan or that depleted uranium was used to bomb afghanistan and Iraq and of course Bosnia, and that DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years. It seems that someone has decided people should no longer live in those areas of the world. Why ? Perhaps they are counting on expendable slave labor to work in those hot spots in the future, extracting or guarding the oil? Or is there something else planned for these regions, maybe by people who have the wherewithal to deal with the current environmental problems?

It's also of note that s/he who controls the Middle Eastern oilfields controls Asia, and they with a permanent military presence in key areas control everyone.

As to what They hope to accomplish by all these machinations, what's wrong with world domination or the domination of space? Science got a divorce with permanent restraining order from Ethics and Morality just ages ago-----science wants to know, who cares how they find out? The Nazis didn't care, nor did the Allied forces and governments that ripped off the German research results, patents and all, and snagged all the supporting staff they could sneak home with. If Someone out there wants their country to 'conquer' space before the clever Chinese or Japanese or Indians get to it, there has to be some sort of plan.

Too many useless people cluttering up the world and using up the resources that should belong, so they say, to the people who seek higher knowledge and central planning and the ultimate-security-just-this-side-of-death is a problem that must be solved. Perhaps there is a plan afoot to solve it? 911 is not the beginning. If you take a longer look, you might not even think of it as a very notable event.

7:55 PM  

Anonymous said...

As to what all that has to do with 911, some obviously might think I'm wandering very far from the topic, but the point is that a lot of people can't seem to even get used to the idea that groups of people in power would use that power against them for goals of their own, let alone have goals that were not very nice or even very human, and that seems strange to me.

This 911 thing goes on forever and people in the US, if nowhere else, keep feeling amazed and stunned. Why ? What is so strange about the idea that someone orchestrated a massive psyops campaign against the people of the country that sends those campaigns everywhere else, that some buildings got blown up on purpose, that some people have disappeared by force, that there were lies and more lies and that things don't get better? Why the surprise?

1:02 AM  

Anonymous said...

You are sleeping! Non of what you have read is true. It is all a dream. Go back to sleep. Tomorrow you will wake up, feal easy and go to work and forget all about it.

1:37 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

I think this link will help to explain who these people are who are convinced that Bush murdered 3,000 people in a massive worldwide conspiracy...These people are...

7:23 PM  

Anonymous said...

Interesting, but mainly because none of you seem to have connected the dots in a larger context. Can any of you accept the premise that the reason the motivation for so many "interesting coincidences" seems so convoluted may be that those events are a part of a larger picture? The incidental events which shape our national policy and our narcissistic tunnel vision with regard to events outside our borders tend to blind us to the possibility that our interests are merely part of a wider agenda.

Any reliable intelligence analyst will tell you that there is often no problem getting sufficient information. The problem lies in determining what information is safe to ignore. In compiling your list of coincidences, what little inconsistencies did you ignore in order to point your conspiracy toward Mr. Bush (or Mr. Ben Laden)? Was there anything that might indicate that both parties may be bit players in a larger production?

Be thankful that in this country suspecting the government of conspiracy is not generally treated as a capital crime. Consider, however, that those who get close enough to a larger picture might be perceived as threatening a wider agenda. Clearly, few who managed to do so would be deemed inconsequential.

This is merely speculation. Still, playing parlor games with incomplete information may be safer, in the long run.

10:43 PM  

Anonymous said...

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12:21 PM  

BillyThrilly7 said...

For further reading, I suggest...

12:56 PM  

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever heard of Opperation Northwoods?If you haven't look it up.No we dont have conspiracies! that little forty year syphilis experiment against black people didn't happen. Crack cocaine just happen to find its way to amerikkkan ghettos from Mena,Arkansas all by itself.Prescott Bush wasn't doing business with Adolf Hitler.It's all just one big coincidence!Suck that Soma slaves eat a cheeseburger and relax into the Abyss!

12:39 PM  

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